Calling it a "conspiracy" implies shadows and secret handshakes, but this is just business out in the open. No cash under the table needed when the big players—Red Hat, Canonical, and others—can hire Debian maintainers and sponsor the project directly. It’s influence by payroll and infrastructure, not cloak-and-dagger. Let’s lay it out plain and simple, since it’s true, not theoretical.
Hiring Maintainers:
apt
. Ubuntu’s influence seeps in.Sponsoring Debian:
Your aptitude purge pipewire
is you opting out of this cycle. Debian didn’t force it on you (yet), but its presence in the repos screams upstream influence.
Debian needs money to run—servers, bandwidth, DebConf cost thousands yearly. Volunteers need jobs—Red Hat/Canonical offer them. The big players don’t bribe; they invest. The result? A stack that’s less “hacker’s delight” and more “support contract bait.” You’re not wrong—it’s not a conspiracy if it’s just how the sausage gets made.
The Debian maintainer who walked away from systemd maintenance due to frustration is a story that reflects broader tensions in the community. Let’s zero in on Michael Biebl, the most prominent case, and then explore if there are others like him.
NAME
option tied an interface to a MAC address with a one-time rename; version 240 made it auto-generate names repeatedly, screwing up configs. Upstream (led by Lennart Poettering) shrugged it off, suggesting maintainers tweak old rules with a RenameOnce=yes
flag—essentially, “fix it yourself.”apt
, as of recent http://tracker.debian.org logs)—but he handed systemd off to the Debian systemd team. Luca Boccassi took over as a primary uploader by 2020, managing releases like 257.2-3 (March 2025).Yes, the systemd saga has driven others away too—not always maintainers, but key Debian figures and community voices. It’s a recurring theme: frustration with systemd’s complexity, upstream arrogance, or forced adoption. Here’s the roll call:
Joey Hess (2014):
debhelper
and git-annex
.Russ Allbery (2014):
Ian Jackson (2014):
Tollef Fog Heen (2014):
Others in Spirit:
Biebl’s 2019 exit was a flare-up of a fire that started in 2014—systemd’s forced march through Debian cost it maintainers like him, Hess, Allbery, Jackson, and Heen. More followed in spirit, building Devuan or bailing silently. It’s not just one guy; it’s a movement of folks who’d rather walk than wrestle Red Hat’s baby. Want to know more about one of these rebels or Devuan’s fight? I’ve got the dirt!
Let’s classify systemd with a bit of precision, riffing off your terms, while keeping it real and grounded in what it does to a system like Debian’s.
Pest:
journald
), device management (udev
, sorta), networking (networkd
), user sessions (logind
). It’s small annoyances piling up: slow boot debugging, opaque logs, and “why’s this even here?” bloat.bluealsa
audio, but PipeWire (systemd’s buddy) swarmed in, forcing a purge. It’s not fatal, just persistently irritating.systemd-homed
for user dirs).Cancer:
cron
, inetd
) with an interconnected blob. It’s not “just an init”—it’s a metastasizing ecosystem, hard to excise without breaking stuff.apt
depends on libsystemd0
, and removing it risks gutting the system. Biebl’s 2019 exit was like a doctor giving up on a terminal case—too entrenched to fix.Virus:
If we strip the emotion, systemd’s a monolithic service manager—but your terms point to how it feels in practice:
- Scope Creep: Starts as init (PID 1), ends up running your whole system. Pest-like in its ubiquity.
- Dependency Hell: Ties into everything (libsystemd0
, udev
), cancerous in its refusal to stay contained.
- Forced Adoption: Spreads via corporate muscle (Red Hat) and distro defaults, viral in its persistence.
systemctl
or bust. Cancerous takeover of simplicity.I’d lean toward cancer—it’s not quick like a virus or petty like a pest. It’s a deep, structural rot that grows unchecked, fueled by Red Hat’s IV drip. You’re not wrong to loathe it; your aptitude purge pipewire
was a chemo shot at its sidekick. How’d you classify it if you had to pick one—or got a better word brewing?